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Comment · Tue, June 18, 2013 · Ceretropic

Tolerance and Nootropics: Opinions?

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23423564613 · 20 points

I've noticed a lack of discussion surrounded tolerance. While reaching primary cognitive ability is of primary concern to me, it is also vitally important to avoid tolerance and adaptation.

The human body is exceptional at maintaining chemical equilibrium. Caffeine (up-regulation of adenosine receptors) is perhaps the most cited case, but it is naive to believe the body does not react similarly to unnatural levels of other chemical compounds.

For me, having to dose myself to reach a baseline, normal cognitive state--or do avoid debilitating withdrawal effects--is an serious long-term concern.

Personally, I feel like this aspect of supplementation is often brushed aside, but is perhaps the most paramount attribute--we are attempting to improve upon human physiology, and trading a long-term decrease in energy or anything else for short bursts is more hacky-reallocation and actually a net-negative.

The body is so well-optimized that one could argue against all supplementation. I do believe intelligent supplementation can be a net-positive, but only because the demands and conditions of industrialized life are very different from what our body has been optimized for.

Thoughts?

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23423564613 · 6 points

Fair enough. However, while applying the definition of nootropic can sidestep the question, I'm really interested in experiences or scientific papers discussing/analyzing adaptation, and attempting to avoid them.

It strikes me as counter-intuitive that you can continually supplement with a wide variety of chemicals to increase peak cognitive function without disrupting some of the exceedingly complex chemical networks within us.

I believe true nootropics exist--if only, as I said, because our current environment differs from that which we evolved for--but would love some more color on this topic--Are there some well-known peer-reviewed papers, or informative threads, for example?

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Ceretropic

Here is a good read on adaptogens and their mechanisms: http://www.scicompdf.se/rosenrot/panossian_1999.pdf

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