Comment · Tue, May 12, 2026 · ND Owner
Grape seed extract lab testing fields blocked out. ND 3rd party testing doesn't have fields blocked out.
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AlwaysWGrace · 6 points
ND doesn't offer grape seed extract. So I was looking for another supplier. Brand sells on Amazon. They sent 3rd party lab report with the manufacturer with Private and confidential stamped across it. the owner is listing his own home address as the business address? They reason I was given "name of our manufacturer is proprietary information" people are trying to steal it...
is this normal? It seems everything is not above board but I usually only buy from ND so I have nothing else to compare to.
ND could you have a grape seed extract or are the supplement benefits not worth it?
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u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Everyone is just starting to say the words lab testing, transparency, and science like they are buzzwords. The biggest issue is that it is working. Transparent Labs came out and made people think they were lab testing and transparency focused, then refused to share lab reports with us when we asked to see them for a product we bought to test. Transparent Labs refused to transparently share lab reports... However, they named themselves Transparent Labs, so everyone just believed it. Tons of brands are starting to put "COAs" on product pages now that we have, yet every time I click on them I find literal failures or data showing they didn't' do ANY identification testing or assaying for the actives. Go try it right now. Go to some bigger competitors of ours that have COAs on their product pages, and click on them. You will see most of the time they only do microbial and heavy metals testing... Great, the product isn't riddled with bacteria and lead, but IS IT EVEN THE PRODUCT YOU SAY IT IS?!? Who knows, because they did no ID testing or assaying for what should be in it. You will also literally find "FAILED" on some of them. Seriously, I invite everyone reading this to go try it out. Go to a handful of our competitors and just start clicking on their lab testing. You will be floored with what you find. It works because most consumers don't click and verify things. They see that a COA is there, and just never even click on it. This is why Toniq can say "The Leaders In Transparency" on their Amazon store page, which goes absolutely nowhere when you click on it... because nobody ever actually clicks. I feel like I am taking crazy pills every day, because this shit is right out there in the open, but nobody ever even tries to verify things.