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Comment · Mon, May 27, 2024 · Nootropics Depot & Natrium Health

Consumer Labs latest results for Ashwagandha are disappointing. Nootropic Depot, LEF, Swanson, others fail.

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flashlightsmurf · 119 points

Consumer Labs tested Ashwagandha supplements recently, only 5 of 13 of the products they tested passed. Some of the products that failed were very popular, so if you aren't seeing any impact maybe that's why.

As usual they tested ones with rice fillers for heavy metals and potency. All the failures were because products did not have the claimed amount of withanolides expected. Tests were sent to second lab to confirm.

Every product containing KSM-66 failed, there could be a problem with Ixoreal. There are details in the article about some disputes they had with Ixoreal and how to test KSM-66 (our formula is too advanced) but the monograph was never updated and so CL did the same tests, found the same results, and reported the same lol.

Products that failed:

* Life Extension Ashwaganda
* Nootropics Depot Shoden
* Pure Encapsulations Ashwagandha
* Swanson Ultimate Ashwagandha

Their top pick was NOW® Ashwagandha 450 mg.

During the LEF super sale I purchased a year supply of Ashwagandha, now I need to see if I can get my money back :/

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RarageInTheGarage · 1 points

To play Devil's Advocate for a bit: if the old USP standard method is busted, what other standard(s) could Consumer Labs et al have even referenced? Is this issue something that needs to be taken up with USP itself?

u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · Nootropics Depot & Natrium Health

They should contact the brands to educate themselves on how to properly test. They didn't contact us at all. They didn't ask what monograph we use for our standard. They didn't ask if there was a lab they could send the samples to that could run the method, or if we could share the methods with one of their labs. They didn't even let us know that they were going to be posting results showing we failed on a test that they have been made aware in the past is not looking at the whole picture. Even CNN contacts the subject of a story before they post it, to see if they want to comment on it. Even the biased media tries to actually do the bare minimum to ensure they are not putting out libel. You want to know my theory as to why Consumer Lab doesn't? They are a for-profit company that survives by brands paying them. There have been claims in the past that Consumer Lab purposely puts out failing results without warning to incentivize brands to work with them and pay them to do the testing, so they will give you a chance to respond to results before bad ones go out. We have never paid Consumer Lab a cent. Pay us, or you could have bad results come out at any time without notice; before a holiday weekend when we know your people are not in to quickly respond to it. You might think that is a conspiracy theory, but it has been claimed by industry organizations in the past.

Now to play devil's advocate a bit on my end, I wouldn't be so upset if they had just decided to rank products with the USP monograph. Make that clear to everyone that they are only looking at 8 withanolides, because those are the methods they have, so these rankings are based off that one snapshot. I would have a friendly disagreement with them on monographs and testing, but it wouldn't be heated like this. The reason it is so heated is that they unequivocally stated that we FAILED our label claims... when they didn't even test for the things we base our claim on. That's the real issue here. They put out language saying we failed for claims, and then they make consumers PAY to see the full results! Most people don't pay, so they just see that we failed. They don't see the details surrounding that. That wrong. The other sad part is that if we just payed CL as a brand, it likely wouldn't have happened. They would have given us the opportunity to discuss with them the results. However, we don't pay them, so we have to deal with this. What does that sound like to you?

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