Comment · Fri, February 3, 2023 · ND Owner
Anyone else make a recent purchase of Sabroxy and are concerned about its quality?
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Salt-Walrus-5937 · 16 points
I ordered 60g powder last week and received it today. Opened it and immediately noticed it looked, smelled and then tasted differently. But what I really noticed was how differently this batch behaved in water. It usually sinks strait to the bottom but instead, it clumped on top. Took a large dose three hours ago with zero noticeable effects.
Been an ND customer for years. NEVER had an issue with product quality until today.
Edit: ND was kind enough to provide a replacement. Will update when I receive it. I stand by my negative assessment of the product I received but will admit that ND was transparent about their quality control process and my opinion does not reflect it.
Thanks for working with me, ND!
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Salt-Walrus-5937 · 2 points
The transparency is important. You could be a non responder to some those. Lemon balm doesn’t do anything for me either but I think it’s me.
I’ve gotten a lot of pushback on the Sabroxy. Never had any other issues with them and have said as much. They keep citing lab results but basic chemistry says that a chemical should behave a certain way in particular situations. It simply does not behave chemically like it did and I’d never had any problem with effects until suddenly I get nothing. At one point just for funsies I consumed like half of a 90g container. I should have at least gotten sick even if it was a tolerance issue. But nothing.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
FYI, Sabinsa came out to our facility yesterday. Sabinsa is who makes Sabroxy. We discussed Sabroxy in detail. They are aware of the differences in color and solubility from batch to batch. They actually harvest Oroxylum indicum from both the northern and southern parts of India, depending on the time of year, weather, and harvest conditions. These region and growth conditions affect how much volatile oils the plant makes. When the plant makes more volatile oils, it can make the powder not as soluble, due to the oils causing a tensoionic effect. This is what is leading to the differences in solubility between batches. As I said, the oroxylin-A, baicalein, and chrysin assay numbers are all very similar, as are the chromatographic profile of the extract as a whole. To see these volatile oils, we would need to develop gas chromatograph methods. Even then, it's not part of the standardization, so it will vary from batch to batch. Still, it would be interesting to see if we can identify these volatile oils, and elucidate which ones are giving that smell people are reporting. I'll see if our GC can do it, or if one of our partner labs can run a quick test to see what volatiles we see. Again, these are not the primary actives, nor can Sabinsa control for the volatile oils, just based on the plant and how it grows. It is mostly for curiosity sake that I want to see if we can elucidate them.