Comment · Sat, May 8, 2021 · ND Owner
Supply chain breakdown risks for Nootropics Depot?
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blabmight · 42 points
This might be best answered by /u/misteryouaresodumb but I thought I'd post the question because it might be useful for others who are curious.
Is it true that $150k worth of supplies have been lost and rejected? And there's $500k currently in limbo? And certain supplies like bottles could end up arriving in a year from purchase?
I'm wondering what sort of risk this poses for Nootropics Depot?
Are there any details regarding what has caused customs to clamp down so tightly? Is there a foreseen date of when things will loosen up or is this probably going to persist under the current administration?
I'm just curious about the details around this\\these issues.
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OceanFixNow99 · 1 points
Sorry but I just have to clarify. I don't like supplements being banned. THE FDA CAN GO TO HELL, though I am not aware of a specific example of this very thing happening... but they can still f off.
I live in Canada( I recently did that 570 something usd order with mushrooms and cho9line etc. ), but if I was in charge of a governing body that was in charge of classifying things as a disease or not, and I knew that if I classified ageing as a disease and that would lead the FDA to BAN that substance, and there was nothing I could do about it, I would wait until the country advanced to the point where they elected a government that would NOT do that.
And THEN, I would reclassify ageing as a disease, knowing that substance would no longer be banned.
As for the consequences of clarifying it as a disease, if that leads to a supplement being banned, I don't see how that makes aging less of a diseases. Not that you said that though./
Aging is its OWN disease. We are used to a disease being something that happens, and not to everyone. but every disease has its own parameters and that means ageing can have its very own as well.
Just because everyone ages, doesn't mean that aging is a not a disease, to mine and others minds. Obviously there is disagreement on this, and there are proponents for both views. But the amount of people having a disease to me seems like a not-at-all-f…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
Yes, everyone dies. However, death is not a disease. It's a natural process that everyone goes through. Death can be an outcome of diseases, but itself is not a disease. I think that is my sticking point here. Diseases are disorders of the natural structure or function of the human body. I don't think things that everyone goes through can be defined as a disorder. It's order at its most basic sense. It's something that happens to everyone. Perhaps if we figure out a way to never die in the future, then we can consider death itself a disease.
I agree that aging is a challenge, and we should treat it as something we can improve and make better. However, that requires a holistic approach. Better diet and exercise is needed to make aging easier. Getting a good supplement regimen will help a lot. Reducing stress and other metal factors that lead to deleterious effects is crucial. It's not something we can't improve. It's not something we can't alleviate the deleterious effects from. It's just not a disease.
Regarding your lumbar issue, that's an injury. Sure, the bulk of the bad effects from it came later as you aged. However, the damage was because of the injury, not aging. Aging made your body not able to cope it as well as time went on, but that's universal. Aging makes it harder to deal with any injury or disease. Standing too long or sleeping in a weird position would also make it harder to cope with that injury. Are standing too long and sleeping in weird positions diseases? Is anything that makes dealing with injuries or health issues now a disease? You were less able to cope with the damage you did at 30 as you reached 40, but the aging was a constant. Aging is always constant. How can something that is universal and constant be a disorder?
I do understand your position, though. I really do get it. I just think that some words have very distinct meanings, and society builds laws and regulations around those definitions that affect everyone's lives. Then trying to expand that definition to other things causes tons of very real legal issues with the way society works. We can say: "Then change the laws and regulations instead." However, we all know that won't happen. The FDA will never ever change its position on the idea that you can only treat diseases with drugs or medical devices. The government never gives up control once a populace gives them it. They only expand and take more. In an ideal utopian world, where specific words didn't control very real policy decisions like it does now, we could say: "Let's treat aging as a disease. Let's try to see if we can stop aging altogether." Hell, maybe one day we will get there. However, in the current real world, defining aging as a disease will only serve to allow the governments of the world to limit our access to potential things that might actually help alleviate the deleterious effects of that process.