Comment · Thu, December 3, 2020 · ND Owner
Omega 3 ; Refrigirated ? Temperature where they are stocked ? Are they "fresh" ?
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Livai_BlackLagoon · 5 points
I wonder if i should buy my O3 from ND, or "Nutrimuscle" (Which is a French society that sell O3 directly frozen from the boat, also same as ND with all labels for quality).
My fear is that O3 are oxydize, i doubt about it because it's Nootropic Depot after all, i can't imagine they are bad. But still wondering. BTW i have to do an ND order so either i go for O3 from you guys (in this case which is the best form for mental health ?) or i take them from NM.
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lopa59 · 1 points
Hey very interesting replies!! Thanks for taking the time to reply I have compiled the informations below.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb
I'd like to call them to ask for the possibly of you testing them.
They claims high and loud their transparency on provider and attached every analyses of current batches on "certificat and studies" tab.
Here is the analyse of their batch of omega 3 from the company epax :
peroxyde value = 0,1 and anisidine value = 2?
Other analyses available :
toxic analyse, heavy metals and stuff
Here is nuclear statement about radioactivity testing on their fish oil I don't know what value it carry.
Here is the fish oil in bottle I was talking about it's unae laboratory open by Julien venesson.
Originally a scientific journalist author, editor and counselor of brands supplement . ( with a <2 totox scale world record level his claim )…
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
So Epax is who makes the fish oil. That's a manufacturer COA rather than an independent lab result. Nutrimuscle gets their fish oil from Epax. I've seen Epax at Supply Side West in Vegas. They are the ones making the fish oil. That's also a COA from the bulk oil, not the finished softgels. Based on this, Nutrimuscle doesn't appear to be doing any lab testing of their own. They are just giving people the manufacturer COA of the bulk batch of oil that was (supposedly) used in that batch. You would need actual lab testing of the finished softgels to know for sure.
Other analyses available :
toxic analyse, heavy metals and stuff
So first off, alarm bells are ringing in my head over this. Red flags are all over the place for me on this COA. To start, the manufacture date was March 9th 2020, with a drumming date of March 10th 2020, and a testing date of March 16th 2020. Again, this is a manufacturer COA of the raw bulk fish oil right after it was made, not the finished softgels. Lots of oxidation can and does happen between when the oil is made and when it is put into softgels. Furthermore, their limits make no sense. You are telling me their limit for mercury is 5 parts per BILLION? That's the max they will allow? Single digit parts per billion are insanely low levels. Then they don't even give us the results as a number? Just "CO" for complies? If you are going to make massive claims like single digit ppb levels as your max allowed, I want to see some actual results for those tests. Furthermore, look at the method numbers. Heavy metals like lead, mercury, arsenic, etc. are testing via ICP-MS. However, things like PCBs, furans, DDT, and HCB are all tested via triple quad LC/MS-MS or GC/MS-MS. Yet the method number for both the heavy metals and these volatile compounds are both 611500? That makes no sense! You would not have the same internal method number for a measurement using two separate methods, much less separate methodologies and machines! This makes me question the results as a whole. These are obviously internal testing results from the people making the oil, done right after they manufactured it. Their claims on max limits are so low, you need semiconductor grade ICP-MS testing with positive pressure ISO class 1 clean rooms and bunny suits. We are talking multi-million-dollar machines in ridiculously controlled environments to reach that level of detection limits and sensitivity. It's just not happening outside of like a QC lab at Intel's semiconductor plant. Then to not even give us a real result, and just say "complies" on it? Seems suspect. I'd need to see some actual data from the lab that did this, and know who the lab is, before I trust it. It would have to be like a national lab like our NIST for me to believe the numbers. Still, that doesn't explain why they method numbers match on clearly different methodologies.
Here is nuclear statement about radioactivity testing on their fish oil I don't know what value it carry.
Not much without testing methodologies, methods, and results. There are no pharmacopeial standards or acceptance criterion for radiation, even in the EU. So how are they measuring it, what levels did they find, what are their detection limits, and what are their acceptance criteria? I am always less trusting than most people, because of all I have seen. It seems like Nutrimuscle is not testing the stuff themselves, and is relying on the manufacturer's COAs.
Also I wanted to ask you I'm interested about the accelon product.
I saw you wrote somewhere that you do take fish oil at noon generally and you fast all day.
In terms of calorie it's kind of low and also just lipid but I saw written on nutrimuscle that fish oil stimulate mTor pathway
Omega-3 from fish oil increases the phosphorylation of mTOR. This is a good thing for lean muscle.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4936484/
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnut.2019.00144/full