Comment · Tue, August 3, 2021 · ND Owner
NootropicsDepot Tongkat Ali vs. Physta® Tongkat Ali
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paisleyno2 · 15 points
Effect of Tongkat Ali on stress hormones and psychological mood state in moderately stressed subjects.
https://jissn.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1550-2783-10-28
This double blind human study concluded that:
* "Supplementation of eurycoma to stressed adults for a period of four weeks is associated with an improved stress hormone ratio (cortisol reduced by 16% and testosterone increased by 37%) alongside improvements in subjective ratings of stress."
Dosing and duration:
* Sixty-four (64) subjects (32 men and 32 women) were randomized to receive tongkat ali (TA; 200 mg/day of Physta™, Biotropics Malaysia Berhad; 32 subjects) or look-alike placebo (PL; 32 subjects) for 4 weeks.
https://akarali.com/physta-tongkat-ali/
I understand that this patented Physta Tongkat Ali version is standardized to 1.5% Total Eurycomanone; aside from that variation curious as to how ND Tongkat compares with respect to Total Glycosaponin, Total Polysaccharide, Total Protein, etc. Alongside with variation in standardization (Physta Standardized 200:1 using freeze-dried water extraction method) and sourcing of the raw Tongkat Ali (Physta using handpicked Yellow Tongkat Ali)?
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u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
We considered selling Physta a couple years back. I was not impressed with it in our trials; especially considering the price. The total glycosaponin, total polysaccharide, total protein, etc. numbers are pretty meaningless without more data. You need to elucidate exactly which glycosaponins and polysaccharides to know if those numbers are even useful from a therapeutic standpoint. They literally link a completely random study on completely different polysaccharides as evidence they are good in tongkat... Just stupid. Then they mention protein, which is batshit dumb. You are taking 100-200mg doses. That's meaningless from a protein standpoint. Also, do you notice their numbers add up to more than 100%?!? LOL! That's without even considering that cellulose is going to be a big component of a plant extract, along with other plant material that are not eurycomanone, glycosaponins , polysaccharides, or protein. Moreover, we tested a sample of it in our lab, and it only had 0.5% eurycomanone, not 1.5% as that strange site claims.