Comment · Fri, September 19, 2025 · ND Owner
Nootropics Depot Using Red 40?
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Begood18 · 10 points
I noticed it as an ingredient for the 200mg caffeine/l theanine. Is there a reason?
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cristobaldelicia · 5 points
I think it's very informative to look back in history to the very first diet cola, DietRite by Royal Crown Cola Company 1954. Sweeten with cyclamate and saccharin. There was a shoddy study on rats in 1969. Rats were fed a mixture of saccharin and cyclamates, at levels equivalent to humans ingesting 550 cans of diet soda per day, eight out of 240 rats developed bladder tumors. The FDA, doubtless with a great deal of congressional lobbying by competitors, banned cyclamate. Other brands formulated "diet" soda with alternative sweeteners. Abbott Labs, together with the Calorie Control Council filed a second petition to lift the ban in 1982. Their labs could not replicate the original study's results. Although the FDA has stated that a review of all available evidence does not implicate cyclamate as a carcinogen in mice or rats, cyclamate remains banned from food products in the United States. And of course, every time a new diet sweetener came out since, various groups claim they caused cancer without having serious evidence. It's hard to tell now when they have serious evidence, and when there's dark money funding the protests.
u/MisterYouAreSoDumb · ND Owner
I think people would be very surprised just how shitty and/or fake a lot of the science being published these days is. Any time there is big money at play, be very critical of the results. I have seen it first hand now. We are actually in the process of setting up our own clinical studies right now, and we have spoken to researchers in the field. Some of the stuff they have told us is scary. Be very very critical of what you read, and really look into who is behind it, and whether or not you trust their motivations.